{"id":4608,"date":"2010-03-09T00:05:41","date_gmt":"2010-03-09T08:05:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/danoday.com\/blog\/?p=4608"},"modified":"2010-03-08T23:24:16","modified_gmt":"2010-03-09T07:24:16","slug":"radio-station-focus-groups","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/danoday.com\/blog\/2010\/03\/radio-station-focus-groups\/","title":{"rendered":"HOW RADIO STATIONS SHOULD NOT USE FOCUS GROUPS"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/danoday.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/03\/FocusGroup50.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-4616\" title=\"radio programming research\" src=\"http:\/\/danoday.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/03\/FocusGroup50.jpg\" alt=\"radio research\" width=\"160\" height=\"152\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">Focus groups are good for one thing: Measuring consumer perceptions of existing products:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><em> &#8220;When you hear &#8216;Y107,&#8217; what do you think of?&#8221; <\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><em><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><em> &#8220;How would you describe the music you hear on X102?&#8221;<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">Focus groups are <strong>not<\/strong><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"> good for testing brand-new ideas that are outside the experiences of the group members. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><em>(&#8220;We&#8217;re thinking of launching a new morning show hosted by an Hispanic female and a Russian male; what do you think of that idea?&#8221;)<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">And focus groups are <strong>not<\/strong><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"> good for asking people to tell you exactly how you should change your radio station and then giving them exactly what they want.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">Yes, <strong>all<\/strong><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"> listeners will tell you they&#8217;d prefer that you schedule all of your contests at exactly the same time each hour or each day. But if a particular contest is intended to increase Time Spent Listening, then doing what your listeners prefer will damage your TSL.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">But take heart, Radio People; ours is not the only industry that makes this mistake. I&#8217;ll now tell you about a company that several years ago threw away $1.2 billion (yes, that&#8217;s BILLION) by slavishly following the dictates of focus group members.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">The Aladdin Hotel &amp; Casino was a new Las Vegas resort that was built for $1.2 billion. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">The hotel opened with 2,567 rooms. The main casino covered 100,000 square feet, while a second casino took up another 30,000 square feet. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">Twenty restaurants. And a 130-store enclosed shopping mall.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">A year after opening, they filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">Oh, if only they&#8217;d listened to me\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">The property&#8217;s dismal performance could be attributed largely to two huge mistakes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><strong>Mistake #1<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><strong> <\/strong><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">You couldn&#8217;t see the front entrance from the street. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">Mind you, this wasn&#8217;t some tiny boutique in a shopping mall. This was a huge resort hotel-casino. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">In the history of the world, no one ever had said<em>, &#8220;Gee, here I am at Caesar&#8217;s Palace\/The Mirage\/Whatever, but I can&#8217;t figure out how to get inside the place!&#8221;<\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">Until the new Aladdin opened, that is.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><strong>Mistake #2<\/strong><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">When London Clubs International, the geniuses in charge of creating the new resort, conducted focus groups, they asked people, <em>&#8220;What do you dislike about other hotel-casinos?&#8221;<\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">And <strong>everyone<\/strong><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"> said, <em>&#8220;You know what I hate? Whenever I enter the hotel \u2014 to check in or to return to my room \u2014 I have to walk through the casino area. If I want to dine in one of the restaurants, I have to shlep through the casino to get there. I HATE THAT!&#8221;<\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">You see, other casino-hotels deliberately <strong>force<\/strong><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"> patrons to traipse through their casinos, knowing that quite a few of them will drop some bucks in a slot machine or at a craps or blackjack table on the way.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">As someone who has spoken at many events housed at hotel- casinos, I can tell you it truly is quite annoying. And if I had been a focus group member, I would&#8217;ve heartily agreed with that complaint.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">Well, London Clubs International listened, and the Aladdin was designed so that you could enter the hotel (assuming you could find the entrance) without having to set foot in the casino. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">And you could visit the mile-long shopping center without going through the casino. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">In fact, you could spend your entire stay at the Aladdin Hotel &amp; Casino without even <strong>once<\/strong><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"> breathing a particle of stale casino air.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">And guess what? The casino &#8220;drop&#8221; (how much money is wagered at the casino&#8217;s various games) was <strong>far<\/strong><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"> below the Aladdin&#8217;s original projections.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">With the much smaller &#8220;drop&#8221; comes a much smaller &#8220;hold&#8221; (the amount of the total &#8220;action&#8221; that the house keeps; the total amount wagered minus the total amount won by players).<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">In other words:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">1. The focus group said, &#8220;Don&#8217;t make us walk through the casino.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">2. The company strategists said, &#8220;Okay, we won&#8217;t make you walk through the casino.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">3. Far fewer customers walked through the casino.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">4. The casino won a lot less money.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">5. Bankruptcy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> <!--[endif]--><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\">Please keep this story in mind the next time you let <strong>your<\/strong><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"> focus group program <strong>your<\/strong><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Geneva;\"> radio station.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--EndFragment--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Focus groups are good for one thing: Measuring consumer perceptions of existing products: &#8220;When you hear &#8216;Y107,&#8217; what do you think of?&#8221; &#8220;How would you describe the music you hear on X102?&#8221; Focus groups are not good for testing brand-new ideas that are outside the experiences of the group members. 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